After the interaction that they had experienced, River had gone home for the night due to the stress levels that would continue to rise in the group. Everything to her was beginning to get tiring trying to keep up with everything but due to Matthias posting the videos on the channel for Subject 4 she was able to stay on track with everything due to the videos he would post. The next day she had gone into the office as Matthias dragged everyone to his mega desk office to show that John Doe had emailed him back while Woods asked about how he was doing while Matthias shrugged his shoulders before he read the chat logs. Matthias: We've been waiting for you to answer back. John Doe: A lot has been going on, I haven't gotten a chance to look at the picture you send especially with the drop-off you made. John Doe responded to him as Bailey brought up how he had responded but didn't look at the picture while Sam thought about how he might be talking about something else as Matthias got confused about the dropoff as they remembered the evidence that they gave him.
Matthias: You mean Ben? John Doe: Correct. Matthias: Has he been difficult? They all sat there looking at the conversation as Sam spoke looking at them. "I can't imagine he's a ray of sunshine in jail," Sam spoke as Matthias nodded agreeing with her as Bailey nodded looking at her. "He doesn't have access to the serum anymore," Bailey spoke as Matthias nodded while John Doe responded to him. John Doe: That's what I wanted to discuss with you, Benjamin has no intention of talking to us. I'm not surprised but it's been only so long we can keep him here and the patience of the officers interrogating him is thinner than my own. John responded as Sam brought up how he wasn't the team's problem anymore as Matthias went back to respond to him. Matthias: I gave you everything I have about him. I don't know a whole lot more. Matthias responded as Sam and Woods brought up about how everything was public information as Matthias spoke. "Wouldn't be a great detective if you weren't watching the videos," Matthias spoke as Woods nodded before seeing a response from John Doe.
John Doe: I have different work around this, I want you and River to come and speak with him. Matthias: Do you think he's gonna talk to us? We were the ones that brought him in. Matthias responded to him as he spoke to the group, "That wouldn't make any sort of sense, why would he want to talk to us?" He asked curiously as Bailey talked about how they weren't going to be buddy-buddy with him after they had put him into the jail as John Doe responded to him. John Doe: That's true, but I think we will regardless. Call it gut feeling. Matthias: Why's that? John Doe: He asked for both of you. Personally. John Doe responded as Bailey responded with how she wouldn't trust it as Sam asked the two of them if they would be comfortable with just simply going to talk with him about everything as River shrugged her shoulders as Matthias responded to him. Matthias: Do you think the picture I sent has to do something with it? Matthias sent back to him as he mentioned wanting to know if the things are all together and why it wasn't ending even though he had been behind bars.
John Doe: We can discuss that later, I promise. Getting you two an hour with him was a near-impossible task, we would have to move quickly. Matthias: Where are we supposed to go? Matthias asked him as he then asked the group if they were to have anything that they can't push back till tomorrow as River shook her head while Sam mentioned how she could be able to move things around as Woods questioned if he was able to leave his mask on or not as John Doe responded to Matthias. John Doe: I will email you the address and time to meet. It will be safe, I don't want you to feel concerned but unfortunately, it can only be you two. John Doe responded as Woods tried to tell Matthias to tell him that wasn't happening as Matthias responded to him. Matthias: No deal. The audience goes or we aren't going. John Doe: I doubt he will talk. Matthias: I think he will. John Doe: Why's that? Matthias: Call it gut feeling. John Doe: Very well, I'll forward you the details. After that interaction, Matthias had sighed before they went to the main lobby to hang out there for a while and to ask the fans what questions they should ask him.
After a few hours, they had all deaded out before going to Matthias's car while explaining the questions he wanted to ask Ben as River nodded looking at him as they went to the location in his car. When they got to the building they were all escorted, checked, and lead through many hallways until they got to the room with Ben sitting inside his cell with his attire and mask with a guard standing nearby in case. "Hi Ben," Matthias began as he walked over towards the cell while he continued. "I told the detective that you wouldn't mind the audience coming along," Matthias spoke as he decided to slightly joke about it. "See look at that, he's a natural," Matthias said jokingly as River glared at him before he pulled out a chair over and sat down before he began to speak. "So, I'm a little confused man. You were the one that wanted to talk to us and we came down here and now you're not talking at all." Matthias spoke as he noticed the tattoo on his arm before teasing him about it while getting no response from Benjamin.
"How about this," Matthias started as he pulled out his notecards before he spoke. "We do a soft start, ease into the human contact with some questions from them. Cool with it? He's cool, yeah. What's the absolute. Do you have anyone you care about on the outside?" Matthias spoke reading the questions as River sighed looking at him as she spoke. "You know they said coming here, they mentioned about how you didn't use your only call." River spoke as Benjamin finally spoke back to her. "She couldn't answer if she had wanted to," Ben responded as Matthias asked it was Deb who he tried calling before Matthias told him that she had been a murderer which caused him to ask what he was as Matthias responded with himself being a YouTuber as Ben responded to him. "Yet here you are, a thorn in my side..." Ben responded as River sighed looking at him. "How about we switch the gears, right Matt? Alright, who are you working for?" She asked as Ben responded with him not working with anyone while she sighed before Matthias asked him a question.
"Are you under the influence of the serum?" Matthias asked curiously earning a shake in the head from Ben, explaining he wasn't under the influence which caused Matthias to respond to him. "So you are telling me, you don't work for anyone and you aren't under the influence of the serum?" Matthias asked as Ben nodded while Matthias decided to continue with what he was going on about. "So well it looks like a pretty cut and dry case right. Caught the guy, red-handed, behind bars. Why are we even here?" Matthias asked frustrated as he went to get up before Ben responded to him. "You aren't done with this, I know exactly how it's going to end," Ben responded as River looked at him as she stood there. "The last person who has ever said that turned out to be a manipulative murder. So forgive me if I wouldn't trust you." River spoke looking at him as Ben responded to her. "I don't care if you don't trust me, you can see it. Just like I can, the writing on the wall." Ben responded as Matthias got confused about how he knew about it before he spoke.
"So it has started again, hasn't it?" Ben asked curiously as River looked at him confused as he realized before adding on to what he said. "I thought it was just me when it had first showed up, I thought I was crazy like everyone was saying," Ben responded as Matthias had asked him when it started as he responded about how it had started seven years ago as Ben spoke. "When it had first started, I tried making sense of it. Different things began to appear every night or so, never could make much sense into it. No matter which way it was looked at." Ben explained as Matthias had asked him how it happened before he responded to him. "It was years ago, I was only one working in the space. It's what you and your minions call your beloved Red Base. After it was all said and done, the walls were completely red, that's when I started to believe them about what they were saying about me. They said I was crazy, I was seeing things, of course, they told me to do things that didn't make sense nor seemed right." Ben explained as Matthias sat there looking at him, curious who had told him these things.
Ben then went on to explain how they hadn't heard the voices yet while Matthias got frustrated, talking about how Ben had lost his mind and that his mind deteriorated from the serum as Ben shook his head. "I thought so too, but now we know it hasn't because you have seen them too, what are they telling you?" Ben asked curiously as Matthias brought up how there wasn't anything on the walls when he had rented out the units while Ben responded to him. "Of course not, why would someone rent it if there was? Don't be a fool, they came and painted over it but it keeps bleeding through, doesn't it?" Ben asked as he explained how he believed the landlords were the ones who had painted over the walls as he explained how haunting was bad for the business before explaining how the entire building was haunted by everything as he spoke. "Do you have any idea how many people ended up dying in the building? It was too many to count." Ben explained as Matthias looked at him before he responded to him.
"I'm sure you saw to it personally, thought you said you were working alone," Matthias spoke as Ben responded about how he never said he was working for someone nor being controlled as Matthias had told him to be careful since it could be used against him for the things he says which caused for Ben to jump towards the bars that had separated him from Matthias and River as Matthias scooted the chair back before Ben began laughing before he spoke. "What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of me?" Ben asked as Matthias shook his head, explaining how he was afraid for him as Ben explained about how he was being taken care of well there, explaining about how little space could be able to clear someone's head as Matthias got tired before deciding to lead River to leave as they two left while Ben had told Matthias to sign out before he saw the Syntec logo on the side of the pen.