All religion is inherently evil.

@MotazAbumathkour I don't need to know the inside out Islamic belief to know that religion is inherently evil, in fact your religion is perceived as one of the more radical ones!

You believe that Allah is your god supreme, that Muhumad is suprem prophet and that Jesus is not the son of god. This alone pisses Christians off and then if they want to convince you otherwise you will defend your belief with violence.

This is because of religion... Not personal belief. No matter how much you go on about your religion it still goes against what I believe god should be and that is love. I refuse to ever uphold to the death a belief in something written about in a book that is unprovable. To do do is immature and negative.

Divine love is within us, all of us. No one is less than another and no religion is the ultimate right one.

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"You believe that Allah is your god supreme, that Muhumad is suprem prophet and that Jesus is not the son of god. This alone pisses Christians off and then if they want to convince you otherwise you will defend your belief with violence.

This is because of religion... Not personal belief. No matter how much you go on about your religion it still goes against what I believe god should be and that is love. I refuse to ever uphold to the death a belief in something written about in a book that is unprovable. To do do is immature and negative."

This must be the epitome of ignorance. I've never heard anything more ignorant in my life. Just...wow.

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@katey1801 Why?

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@newrageguru

"I refuse to ever uphold to the death a belief in something written about in a book that is unprovable. To do do is immature and negative."

You're basically saying that no matter what we say, you won't listen to us. Ignorance.

"This alone pisses Christians off and then if they want to convince you otherwise you will defend your belief with violence."

You cannot group everyone in a religion together. To do so is ignorant and completely bigoted.

Also, see all the arguing your beliefs have caused here? your beliefs must be just as evil as mine then. You didnt see me calling your belief evil before now; I respect your belief. So why can't you respect others? It's this that is wrong with the world. You don't respect my religion; you are downright calling it evil! You are bigoted against other beliefs and religions just as you blame, say, Christians and Muslims for being bigoted against each other.

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@newrageguru 1- The book IS provable and a huge portion of it has been proved, SCIENTIFICALLY!

2- As I already stated. You talk a lot about your love, but you don't show much of it.

3-I don't defend my beliefs with violence. I use human-developed means of communication.

4- "What I believe God should be" And why exactly does all of humanity have to follow your own definition of God? Doesn't that make you a creator of a new religion? So you're evil, right?

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@katey1801 @newrageguru

Hi. You quoted me saying "I refuse to ever uphold to the death, a belief in something written about in a book that is unprovable. To do do is immature and negative."  You then said to me: You're basically saying that no matter what we say, you won't listen to us. Ignorance.

I say: Did I say that. Listen to who...?I have been listening to stories all my life. Is this  ignorance really or an understanding and a realization that no one of these writings are absolutely correct, that just because it says in a book that this is absolute truth does not mean it is. Which book do you defend?

Then I said this : "This alone pisses Christians off and then if they want to convince you otherwise you will defend your belief with violence."

And you believe that You cannot group everyone in a religion together. To do so is ignorant and completely bigoted.

Why? Am i ignorant because I choose not to believe in myth as truth? Am I  bigoted because I believe there is danger in a huge hunk of the population going, sure god exists if it's the same god we believe in; based on our myth! 

And you asked: Also, see all the arguing your beliefs have caused here? your beliefs must be just as evil as mine then. 

I say that you admit your faith in your belief is evil! 

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@katey1801 (cont) Then this: You didnt see me calling your belief evil before now; I respect your belief. So why can't you respect others?

What's my belief...? Hell; what's yours? I respect a persons belief but most belief is based on what religions teach about man gods in the sky and eternal hell and stuff... I go; prove your belief then openly discuss spirituality with me.

Then you say this:  It's this that is wrong with the world. You don't respect my religion; you are downright calling it evil! You are bigoted against other beliefs and religions just as you blame, say, Christians and Muslims for being bigoted against each other.

I say; Again I don't know what your religion is but I'm sure it's based on faith in an old book? I say read them all, love them all and find your truth then share that truth with the world. 

Is this possible within religion? I think not. There is no religion that says we embrace all religions pointing to the same god; because religions would say no way, our god is not these other gods!!!

Religions a fail if you want to believe in complete unity on this planet. It's time we started looking at the divinity within the individual. Start looking at these books and see that they all point to us, the sacred human being as being a part of the divine.

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@MotazAbumathkour Hi: you said:The book IS provable and a huge portion of it has been proved, SCIENTIFICALLY!

I say: complete and utter bullshit. This is the exact thing Christians say... One of you have to be wrong, it says so in your book!

Then you said: 2- As I already stated. You talk a lot about your love, but you don't show much of it.

I say I talk a lot a bout duality, that heaven and hell, god the devil, Israel and Egypt... All that stuff in the book is within us. It is all parable.

And you say this: 3-I don't defend my beliefs with violence. I use human-developed means of communication.

I say that of course you do. You are a good person. Lots of good people are in religions, I don't believe every one in a religion is evil just like I don't believe every politician is evil, the system is though.

You again: 4- "What I believe God should be" And why exactly does all of humanity have to follow your own definition of God? Doesn't that make you a creator of a new religion? So you're evil, right?

I say I don't believe in god, that might make me evil in your eyes but within me and my consciousness, I feel liberated and justified in the joy I receive from my life.

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@newrageguru

1) I defend the bible... Most of it any way. I'm not, like, extremely religious.

2) I never said that I thought the bible was the one true way. I think there's a bit of truth in all religions.

3) If mine is then so is yours.

4) You say you believe that there's divine love in everyone or something. You have yet to prove this either.

5) I agree with the other guy. You speak of the divine love within us all but do not express it.

If religion is so evil, then so is gas, oil, politics, freedom, and/or any separation of belief at all.

6) We never said you were evil. But ever stopped to think that our religion gives us the same joy that your beliefs give you? Can you not accept that?

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@katey1801 Hi. The bible is a collections of myth, however it is also a collection of parables. At its simplest it is an inner guide to being a spiritual warrior over ones ego on a journey to divinity.

At its most entangled it can be anything in the world from all seeing man gods to verification that Aliens exist!!! 

All paths lead to the highest state of divinity, but no one knows the answer, as soon as they tell you they do run like hell. 

Religion, god, absolute truth in knowledge of what happens after we die; are not singular beliefs held by one truth, they all mesh; found on all spiritual paths. 

No path can ever know another. I imagine we are like stars, stationary, singular, alone, but our light shines forth touching everything. Divinity is within and with us always. 

I see plenty of negatives in the economy of consumerism and in the way the world is run but this is outer, ego, tangable realities, not someone's thoughts from an ancient text !!

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@newrageguru

" I don't need to know the inside out Islamic belief to know that religion is inherently evil, in fact your religion is perceived as one of the more radical ones!" - What those people are doing, the "extremist/radicals" aren't following Islam. Our religion is about peace. Perception isn't truth.

Yes, I have a religion, but I also couldn't care less what others believed. Each to their own.

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@newrageguru You: complete and utter bullshit Me: less love being shown.

You: I talk a lot a bout duality, that heaven and hell, god the devil, Israel and Egypt... All that stuff in the book is within us. It is all parable.

Me: what does that have to do with love? You're answering a different question

You: I say I don't believe in god, that might make me evil in your eyes but within me and my consciousness, I feel liberated and justified in the joy I receive from my life.

Me: you already said you believed that God is love, how can you be so incoherent? And it's okay for you to look evil in our eyes, but not okay for us in yours? I say that's extremism.

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@newrageguru Hey I think you're on to something...the highest spiritual and emotional level a human can reach is when he can love and have compassion.

Christianity teaches this, it is not a religion of the book. AT ALL. Love is the reason Christianity even exists. I'll spare you the preaching and instead say: Without love humans are nothing. Without love we are cold hollow empty creatures searching for something to fill the void.

So we can all disagree about which is the right religion and which one is wrong but if we don't have love what is the point of having religion?

In conclusion religion doesn't matter. Deeds of love do (and not the deeds which so many adolescents are probably thinking of. :P)

Shalom!

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NRG: I talk a lot a bout duality, that heaven and hell, god the devil, Israel and Egypt... All that stuff in the book is within us. It is all parable. You: what does that have to do with love? You're answering a different question.

NRG: Am I? Everything in this existence, this infinite one; is based upon a duality experience. This duality exists so that we can grow through and expand our core being; love. 

NRG I say I don't believe in god, that might make me evil in your eyes but within me and my consciousness, I feel liberated and justified in the joy I receive from my life. You: you already said you believed that God is love, how can you be so incoherent? 

NRG: I say god is a male intonation and the incorrect term to be using for the divine creative force; however this energy seems to be infused with an all loving presence and some feel comfortable calling it god: I don't.

You: And it's okay for you to look evil in our eyes, but not okay for us in yours? I say that's extremism.

NRG: I don't see evil in your eye, you seem like a cool person, bit aggressive but so am I, especially when it comes to my belief. 

If you were on an island with no one else would your belief strengthen or diminish?  @MotazAbumathkour

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@Robinn Thank you. Well stated.

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@newrageguru NRG: Am I? Everything in this existence, this infinite one; is based upon a duality experience. This duality exists so that we can grow through and expand our core being; love.

Me: If everything is a duality, then how come love is our core, and not hatred?

NRG: I say god is a male intonation and the incorrect term to be using for the divine creative force; however this energy seems to be infused with an all loving presence and some feel comfortable calling it god: I don't.

Me: What if the reason behind that is the weakness of English as a language? And I think the reason behind that is somehow like when you don't know if a baby is a boy or a girl you may call it "it". We have something like that in Arabic, it's called التغليب

NRG: I don't see evil in your eye, you seem like a cool person, bit aggressive but so am I, especially when it comes to my belief.

Me: Thanks for the compliment, and I don't see you as evil as well.

NRG: If you were on an island with no one else would your belief strengthen or diminish?

Me: I may sit around and throw a bunch of hypothetical answers, but knowing for sure is impossible. The most probable of those is that it will strengthen, as I am in need of God's favor to save me from there, but it's still a hypothetical answer.

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@MotazAbumathkour  If everything is a duality, then how come love is our core, and not hatred?

Actually it's that free will thing again,    we can choose either love or fear. The reason I believe in love as our core is that it is the reason fear exists. 

The negative grounds us but it can eventually over feed the  ego, the ego is insatiable, this leads to discontentment and a continual grasping. 

The positive drives us into the heart of love, reaping what we sow which is usually more love, leading to an over all sense of well being and contentment. 

We also have to keep love at the for front of our existence as we work with this polarity otherwise we become to far into the positive and start overriding our common sense, a common side effect of religion and dogmatic thought, doing negative for perceived "right" reasons. 

It's about balance, love and the moment. Keep each moment with love as a guide and you can't go wrong.

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@newrageguru "Actually it's that free will thing again, we can choose either love or fear. The reason I believe in love as our core is that it is the reason fear exists."

So, you're free to CHOOSE what material you are made of? and why is there an "or" in there? Shouldn't it be an "and" if life is made of dualities? and how is love the reason fear exists?

"The negative grounds us but it can eventually over feed the ego, the ego is insatiable, this leads to discontentment and a continual grasping."

But, isn't "discontentment and continual grasping." the reason humanity has come so far? The more dissatisfied you are, the more you feel the urge to learn and make new things.

"The positive drives us into the heart of love, reaping what we sow which is usually more love, leading to an over all sense of well being and contentment."

So you mean to tell me that you never gave love and got hatred and negative responses? and the "sense of well being and contentment." is something we may choose to accept or refuse, whether we believe in love or not.

"doing negative for perceived "right" reasons."

That is something we agree upon. The end does not justify the means. And we were told the same in Islam.

"It's about balance, love and the moment. Keep each moment with love as a guide and you can't go wrong."

There is no way we can't go wrong. Everyone goes wrong, and we should accept the wrong and acknowledge it as a part of us -as well as embrace it- if we want to truly become the best beings we can

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@MotazAbumathkour  how is love the reason fear exists?

NRG: There are only two emotions, love and fear, from these two stem all of our reactions. 

You: isn't "discontentment and continual grasping." the reason humanity has come so far? The more dissatisfied you are, the more you feel the urge to learn and make new things.

NRG: Have we really come so far? 

Im not saying that it is either wrong or right.

You: you mean to tell me that you never gave love and got hatred and negative responses?

NRG: Not since being an adult.

You: the "sense of well being and contentment." is something we may choose to accept or refuse, whether we believe in love or not.

NRG: A sense of well being comes from love not from fear. Contentment is not a choice it is a by product of love.

NRG. Keep each moment with love as a guide and you can't go wrong."

You: There is no way we can't go wrong. Everyone goes wrong, and we should accept the wrong and acknowledge it as a part of us -as well as embrace it- if we want to truly become the best beings we can

NRG Totally agree. But that in its self is the philosophy of "You can't go wrong!"

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@newrageguru NRG: Have we really come so far?

Me: Not really, but we could have been worse by this time.

NRG: Not since being an adult.

Me: Do you engage with people a lot?

NRG: A sense of well being comes from love not from fear. Contentment is not a choice it is a by product of love.

Me: Trust me, I've seen people who easily throw away contentment and happiness, and they don't even realize it.

NRG Totally agree. But that in its self is the philosophy of "You can't go wrong!"

Me: How is that?

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@MotazAbumathkour You: We could have been worse by this time.

NRG: I always thought we would be better off. 

You: Do you engage with people a lot?

NRG: All the time. When ever I have had a dispute with anyone it has been due to self opinionated fear. It might have to do with a belief that wrong choices have been made by those I'm dealing with and I am trying to help when I should be letting go. 

NRG: A sense of well being comes from love not from fear. Contentment is not a choice it is a by product of love. You: Trust me, I've seen people who easily throw away contentment and happiness, and they don't even realize it.

NRG: Its true. People have kids but pine for more time to work or play or anything but to be with their kids. This is distraction and contentment might exist at the ego level but true contentment filled with the love and strength found within a family unit will be lacking and disfunction and resentment will ensue. 

NRG Totally agree. But that in its self is the philosophy of "You can't go wrong!"

You: How is that?

NRG: Its all good mate. Everything is as it should be, it all has purpose and it is all part of the individual's learning. Nothing is without purpose.

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@newrageguru There's nothing I could argue about there. I guess we reached the 2nd stalemate. I hope no one comes to fuel the fire this time.

It was really fun talking to you.

Peace. :)

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PROOF:

OM: Allah is not God. God is not Allah. I'm so sorry, I wish they were, but they're not. Allah is impersonal, judgemental, transcendental, distant. God is personal, paternal, partner-able, if that makes sense. NRG: Yeah... Heaps of sense in a world with gods running around. In the real world... Nuh! OM: God sent his son to die for us. Allah would not. NRG: Ummmm... I'm pretty sure Mohammad died. Anyway... You god is better because he is willing to let his "only" son die a horrible death. Oh the choices. OM: God loves those even when they sin. NRG: Crap! Your vain, neurotic god who can't do stuff all without killing or sacrificing only loves you, if you believe in Jesus, the son he let die. Glad he's not my dad! OM: There are various passages in the Koran (please excuse the spelling, it varies) which point out which groups of people Allah does not love. NRG: Damn man, there is a whole host of folk the Christian god hates, fags, Muslims, Americans. OM: I say this with the utmost respect, love, empathy, compassion, and tolerance for all, and without any judgement of anyone. NRG: Really. So your respectful of the fact that Allah is is impersonal, judgemental, transcendental, distant. Well I hope you understand when I say that the bible is myth, Jesus isn't real and that all gods are as real or unreal as you want them to be because it is all mythology. More proof of the diversion and lack of love that religion promotes. No offence;)

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If anyone wants to see how asinine this statement is, note that he used this stream of consciousness bs on me in the Islam thread, where I promptly demolished it. Internal logic is not newrageguru's strength after all.

Note also that this is not proof of anything, except newrageguru's hypocrisy. He vomits hate all over the Spiritual thread while accusing religious people of doing it.

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@OwensMartin When did you write this. Bit rude isn't it?

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