Muslim\Christian discussion.

It is possible that our children may grow to be teenagers & follow another path. They may deny us as their parent/s. It might cause us to lash out against them in return…would you? To do so, would be human…but if we are truly wise, loving & forgiving we would continue to love them and try to get them back. We would do anything to get our children back under our care & protection. The same is with God….we were created to be His children. To fellowship with him, to trust him & to be loved by him and love him in return. God is love.

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In-depth; Jesus died to pay for the sins of man once and for all. He paid the ransom (of his own blood) to legally, free man from Satan’s rein of eternal death. Satan gained power and rightfully took position, having dominion over man and everything that God created for man. The bible says that God put Adam in the Garden and told him to “guard and keep” the garden of Eden. Who did Adam have to “guard & keep” the Garden of Eden from? Satan. Satan was always a threat but… man had dominion. Adam had control over ALL of Gods creation including Satan. Was Adam a God? One might say so (he had dominion.) God gave it to him. If you were a parent, would you want to give your child (who is your creation) everything? Many parents today, say they want to give their child “the world” even though the world is not their to give. We want to train our children up right & show them how to “lead in life” so they don’t struggle with everything in this life? God, gave everything to Adam. He gave him the world and dominion over his creation. He gave Adam instructions (keeping him safe from evil.) Poor Adam, he had no idea that one little act of disobedience would end up costing so much…but he gave up his own dominion over his father’s (God) creation when he chose to believe Satan over what his father had told him. Adam was no longer God over this earth. His spirit died instantly and he became self conscience. Adam was suddenly aware of both good & evil. Adam’s spirit became instantly separated from God. Jesus made a path for man to be re-joined with God. God (in His wisdom & love for man) gave up his own blood to satisfy the death payment of the ransom that Satan required to save man.

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Regarding the Trinity; St. Patrick once used the clover to describe the Trinity. There are three parts to one clover. Three separate pieces, connected to one whole. If I had a piece of paper and I ripped it into three pieces, it would still be called paper…just smaller pieces. The trinity of God is also one God, just separated into three entities. Ironically, man was created into three beings as well. God created man like himself. We are a spirit, we have a soul & we live in a body. Your spirit is dead (because of sin…it is separated from God…just like Adams was because of sin.) Your soul is where your mind, will & emotions are and your body is made of dust…it has the curse of Adam still upon it. Once your grow from baby/child phase your flesh begins to decay. The Hebrew text described it “Dying you shall die.” Many Christians do not have the revelation & understanding of the true depth to who God is and what He accomplished on the cross. They are taught to live by faith…so they accept the basic teachings. God Bless them for their faith. When Christians decide to seek God on a deeper level, then they will see everyday miracles. Christians have so much power yet they don’t know how to use it. Christians have an inheritance including wealth waiting for them but they don’t know how to receive it. Most Christians are caught up in worldly things (like everybody else.) They seek to work hard, live right and dream of better days.

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Regarding the birth of Jesus; It is important, to go back in time & seek the information of the promise. God’s people were told about the coming Messiah. God shared with man, His plan for salvation. First, God had to created a blood line…Abraham as the patriarch. His son of promise Isaac as the rightful heir and descending bloodline for “the seed” to follow. Everything God established would be according to “His promise” So when Sarah doubted in her own flesh to conceive an heir, she told her husband to lie down with her maidservant Hagar, thus bearing a child of the flesh…that son, Ishmael (though he was firstborn) could not be accepted as the bloodline for the Messiah (the seed & heir) because Sarah tried to created the child of promise her own way not Gods way. When both Sarah and Abraham decided to BELIEVE in God…they conceived a child (the child of promise) the following year. The Messiah is also a “child of promise.” He is Gods son and would follow the bloodline of Abraham (& Abraham’s seed.) Jesus would be offered up as a sacrifice. God tested Abraham with the offering of his own son Isaac. Abraham was the first man to believe (and trust) in God since the flood of Noah. Abraham willing took his beloved son Isaac (whom he had waited so long for) to the same mount where Jesus died to offer up his son as a sacrifice to God. But God saved Isaac & Abraham from committing the sacrifice and used the blood of a ram instead. Blood sacrifices (using animals came into existence ever since sin entered the picture.) God showed Adam how to slay an animal and used the skin for clothing.

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Animal sacrifices were allowed to atone (cover up) man’s sin for a period of time. Blood must be shed for man’s sin. God revealed to man what sin was by setting up unattainable laws for him to follow. It was at the request of man. They asked “What would you have us to do Lord?” You see, Gods people over time fell into sin & was turned into slaves. God allowed this, to show man that without him you may end up a slave. As God’s people were being led out of slavery they wined and complained about everything (kinda like most people do today.) After 40 years of wandering, man still, did not learn what Abraham & Sarah learned before they could receive Gods promise. Trust in God. Have faith that God will bless us & prosper us. Man just doesn’t get it. Jesus’ birth fulfilled the prophecy about the coming Messiah. True, it is no more of a miracle than any other miracle. But with each miracle there is an excitement! Once you begin to trust in God, then his miracles can take place (like Abraham & Sarah.) The birth of Jesus was exciting for those who believe in God’s promise.

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Simply, he came to save us from ourselves (and our wrong way of thinking) as we are subjected and tempted with Satan’s power. Satan only wants to kill us and keep us from God. Jesus wills us to have eternal life. Jesus fulfilled all (hundreds) the prophecies that promised a savior…so, it is mathematically impossible for anyone else to be the “coming Messiah.” Jews refuse to believe the truth of Jesus. They love the law rather than God. They love tradition rather than trust in God. There are many religions (Mormonism, Jehovah witness & Islam to be included) that are trying to please God their own way…doing good works (& following religious rules.) This WILL NEVER please God. Man can NEVER earn his way into God’s promises. God has all along tried to get man to trust in him and his ways but man always tries to perform well & seek his mercy. Think about it. If you were God and you love your children (all mankind/his creation.) And suppose a bad guy came and took your child (or even worse…took all of your children away from you) and the bad guy held your children for a ransom and he was to keep your children in submission and as slaves. And the only payment he (the bad guy) would accept to pay the ransom was YOUR blood…Wouldn’t you do it? Wouldn’t you find a way to save your children? I surmise, that if God’s entire being “could” die then everything would cease to exist…all of God & His creation (including Satan…who was part of God’s creation.) God gives us life. So, for God to take the punishment for mans sin…He would have to become like man. God had to come in human form. To pay the ransom for mans sin, would cost God his own blood. All men have sinned, so the blood of sinful man could not fulfill the demand of the worthy blood sacrifice requirement. There was no other way. God had to be born a man but to bypass mans sin, he had to be born of a virgin and the bloodline had to follow from Isaac not Ishmael.

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Therefore Jesus became “the seed of promise” that was foretold to Abraham. His genealogy is documented in the bible as a descendant of Abraham but flawless of sin. He knew who his father was at a very young age. He recognized that God was His father but he also respected his earthly father Joseph. Jesus knew God’s will for His life…How? Because he was a part of God. Jesus is God in human form. His birth, death and resurrection is important for our salvation. If you (as a Muslim) wants to gain the love and favor of God then you would be a fool to deny Jesus as the Christ…God’s promised savior! Jesus was called a prophet & a teacher by people at the time because they could see that he (Jesus) knew things about the future and about God. Is truth of Jesus limited to being only a prophet? No, He is our replacement for sin & death. To think of him only as a mere man who can prophesy is not only foolish but it is dangerous. Jesus is the true light. He is the truth & the light. He came into a world of darkness…to give us life and provide us “life more abundantly.” Allah is only a reflection of light. Just like Lucifer. He will bring you nothing. People ask then, why do Muslims (along with all other false religions) seem to receive blessings? Because God blessed both of Abrahams sons. He blessed Ishmael & made him a great nation…which formed into the Arab bloodline. Much of the Arab nation chose to follow another God resulting in rebellion towards the true God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob along with his chosen people…which are descendants are of Isaac (mostly Jews, then Christians.)

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Is the bloodline still important? No, God doesn’t care if you were born into a Jewish family or an Arab family. He doesn’t care about nationality. You can be Chinese, Russian or European…it doesn’t matter. What matters is in your heart. Will you be like the Israelites and complain and distrust God…trying to do things your own way? Following a set of laws? Or are you going to be like Abraham & Sarah and believe in God’s promises. He loves you and created your spirit. Your body is a physical result of your birth parents. Your spirit was instantly cut off from life of God when you first fell into sin. But he wants you to be a son or daughter of his again so he may call you “his own.” He wants to bless you…just like any good father. He has already left you an inheritance but you need to know how to receive it. The bloodline was important for us to follow but once Jesus was born…after that…the bloodline doesn’t matter anymore. Unfortunately, the Jews (who denied Christ & are still waiting for the Messiah to come) will never be able to trace the bloodline of their long awaited savior. They will accept the “Antichrist” as their Messiah. Satan wants for you to follow a false God and have you ultimately kill off God’s people (Christians & Jews.) Jews still believe in him so they are still God’s people. If Satan can get Muslims to declare Jihad against Jews and Christians…then he (Satan) feels he will win the battle between himself and God. Does this make sense?

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Most Christians accept your choice and choose not to try to convert you. There is and never will be any pressure to trust in God. It is and always will be your choice but mark my words: when you are judged by Christ himself…You may have to answer for each and every attempt God made, in trying to teach you the truth. Do you think it is possible for God to remind you of each Christian that was sent your way, who tried to have a conversation with you about Christ…yet you denied them? If you deny what Gods word says and choose to trust in Muhammad’s teachings then you accept the responsibility of taking your own salvation into your own hands. Many people have and will try to gain access to God their own way. False prophets are condemned to hell for their lies and swaying the trust of their followers. Following the wrong path of one man Muhammad rather than following the many writers of the bible is dangerous. The bible has many editions to suit many languages & holds many variations to better illustrate the truth in it. One Hebrew word can be described into many words in English. There is so much evidence in the validity and purity of the bible and ALL the writers wrote in agreement with each other. Some were prophets of old. Some confirmed the history. Some knew & testified of Jesus because they were disciples of his. Islam wants you to “submit.” Do you think if God (being a good father in heaven) wants you to live a submissive life? No, the blessings of Abraham are for his descendants (not of the bloodline) but of the “promise.” Jesus told us that it was better for him to go so that the Holy Spirit can come in his place.

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Jesus defeated the devil during the three days that he was in hell (paying the price for sin.) He gained the keys to sin and death. He rose again and spent a short time on earth making an appearance to over 500 people before going back to heaven where he came from. Jewish history & Christian history is well supported in ancient Roman & Greek writings. There is more evidence of Jesus being the son of God than there is of Caesar being Caesar! The Holy Spirit is what Jesus promised us “that was to come after him.” Islam teaches a lie, in that Jesus foretold about Muhammad’s coming. Total lie! God promised Abraham about the soon coming Messiah (Jesus), The Messiah (Jesus) promised the soon following entity…which is the Holy Spirit. Why is the Holy Spirit important to man? Because it is through the work of the Holy Spirit that man can be baptized and accept God’s spirit in place of our current dead spirit. Remember that our spirit is dead to God because of sin. But God can add his spirit in us making us a new creation. We still have the same body (so we look the same.) We still have the same soul (where our mind, will & emotion are…so we will still think the same way.) But we have a new spirit. God’s spirit in us makes us alive to God. We gain boldness & instant joy! The Holy Spirit in us, then will begin to transform our soul according to the word of God.

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The Holy Spirit is incredibly important for us. He will be our guide. He is not bound to a single human form. He is our teacher. He warns us of danger and speaks to us of truth. He exalts the name of Jesus. Jesus has so much love for you. We are living in the age of grace. We receive God’s grace even though we don’t deserve it. This is also called the church age because Jesus is building his church. When the church gets filled with the Holy Spirit then the church has power! The Holy Spirit speaks to you too but you don’t know how to hear him. You have to use your spiritual ears. He is always trying to reach you. People think that they are spiritual because they listen to new age music and chant from Lotus positions. Man can not attain spiritual form by his own efforts of relaxation & meditation. We have a spirit (separated from God.) We need to trust God with our spirit. He will give it life! That life will make you new and improved. As you seek him deeper he will give you wisdom and understanding & BLESSINGS! As you seek him deeper he will give you POWER!!! Salvation is yours just by accepting him! I truly feel sorry for Muslims because I know that you have been lied to. You are still in submission, but not to God. You live under the laws of a religion…which will never give you life or blessings from God. You get the same blessings that the average human gets…it is not the blessing of promise to Gods people. You have to pray 5 times a day…Don’t you ask why? Doesn’t your God hear you? Does he forget your first prayer? I’m not making fun because many Christians don’t know how to receive answers to prayer. The bible tells us how but we fail in faith. God is not the same as Allah. God does not make us do anything. He just wants us to love each other and love him for all he has done for us. It is truly beautiful. God is Love!

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@Hardy_Boyz We don't pray 5 times a day for Allah. We pray for ourselves to Allah. It's for our benefit. I know praying 5 times a day may sound tedious, but it's just 5 minutes. It's our way of talking to Allah. He doesn't forget our prayers. It's so we don't forget our prayers to Allah and what we want, our goals etc. We pray to Allah to save us, guide us. When you pray to your God, you find comfort. We find comfort in Salaah (prayer). He's not forcing us to pray. It's our choice. Free will and all. But we must pray as Muslims, because we believe in Him. That is our way of showing Him.

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@ImBatman420 Yes, I know it is part of the submission you have to follow & when you simply cant pray 5 times a day...what happens? (you struggle with comdemnation with yourself.) In Christ there is no comdemnation. None! Christ became a man so, he know what we go through in life here. He is FULL of compassion. He is FULL of love for us even when we forget to pray or cant make it to church. Believe me when I say...I pray more than you. I pray throughout the entire day. The Holy Spirit shows me who to pray for and most of my prayers are for you and other people. The bible says that it is better that we pray in private not making a big show of it and not to repeat the same prayer over & over again. We have all seen some people who try to look more spiritual (to impress others) with their loud emotional prayers. God sees what is in the heart. Muhammad wrote that he didnt even know if he was going to heaven himself. In Christ...we know. Islam teaches the sure way to heaven is by being a martyr. In Christ we turn over our former sinful life for a better one here on earth we may recieve the blessings of Abraham (silver, cattle & gold) to live a good life and recieve more in heaven...because God is so good. Shalom.

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I have a question, did Islam branch from Judaism just like Christianity did. I know that Christianity and Judaism both believe in the same God Christianity just believe that Jesus has came and saved us from sin and Judaism doesn't believe that he has not come yet. (In a nutshell) Correct me if I'm wrong please. If Islam branched from Judaism as well then why do we separate that we all have different Gods when it's the same? I consider Muslims, Christians, and Jewish to have the same God. Even though we follow Him in different ways we are still family.

I was talking to a man one time his family was of Islamic faith (a potential boyfriend but he ran away) and when we talked about God, he talk to me as if we had the same God. (I am Christian). I respect Muslims and Jewish people and consider them family. :)

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@Hardy_Boyz so then your saying the trinity is three in one or one in three? How many gods where there during the three days when jesus was dead? What effect did his absence have on the universe since in the trinity they are all co equal his load of the work wasn't being done? Why is there no clear an explicit mention of the trinity in the bible? Why would god link a concept that we can't comprehend to our salvation? Who died on the cross: a man or god? Was the messiah brought back to life or is the one who revived him another god ? Was Adam forgiven for his sin by god? If so , then why did someone have to die for a sin that was already forgiven? When someone has to die then that is not true forgiveness You said that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) "wrote" sorry that is incorrect because the prophet could neither write or read which proves he didn't write the Quran and that it is the word of god and not his. There are many other things that prove hi didn't write the Quran but that's not the point right now. As for him saying he did't know if he was going to heaven. Allah/god told him that all his sins have been forgiven past/present/future so he knew he was going to heaven. What you are talking about is when he saying that he has no knowledge of the unknown only that which has been told to him by god. He wouldn't have known he was going to heaven unless Allah told him which he did. As for the prayer we Muslims pray to remember Allah to become closer to him. As for what happens when we forget that's just it we forgot why would god punish us for something we forgot. You just make it up when you remember. Allah/god is full of compassion and love he created us he understand us. He dosent have to become one of us to understand us. Prayer is a link between the creator and the creation so it is private you ask god whatever you want and ask for his forgiveness privately so how do we make a big show of our prayer???

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@lilkolo91 It is the same god you will find similarity between the three because they are the Abrahamic faiths. Judaism and Christianity came from Issac son of Abraham and Islam from Ismeal also a son of Abraham. Islam completes the teachings of both prophet Moses and Jesus because part of being a Muslim is believing in all of Allah/Gods Prophets and their books (Bible,Torah). we don't follow the books because they are no longer in the condition which these prophets received them in. There is a new edition for the bible each year there is no new edition for the Quran it is in the same condition as the time it was brought down. The reason being that Allah/God promised to keep it safe this time. Last time people were instructed to keep it safe and not change stuff in it (Bible,Torah) but they didn't do what they were told.

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@Asiaya323 Ah, okay I see. I remember learning that. Thank you so much for your response. So we do worship the same God but in different ways. Just some words of encouragement: Keep your faith strong if this is what God has taught you on how to worship and love Him then do it. Only you know what God is doing in your life. I have much love for you. :)

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@lilkolo91 That is so sweet thank you and yes I'm no perfect Muslim but I do try my best :) .

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@Asiaya323 God died for our sins (: Also, to your question about the Holy Trinity, I may be wrong, but I would liken it to water. Water, in itself, exists in 3 forms, that is of solid, liquid and gas. All 3 different, but the same. Well, the Holy Trinity exists in 3 forms too, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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@lilkolo91 Hi! (: I'd think that Islam did branch off from Judaism? Through Ishmael's line. That's why some Muslims name their children Ismail. I may be wrong though :/

Also, I looooove your book. It's pretty addictive (;

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@krazziekimmy Islam didn't branch of from Judaism because judaism came from the line of issac son of Abraham and Islam from a whole different line ismael also a son of Abraham. there two different sons how did one branch off the other.

If god died for us does that mean his own creation killed him. Sorry but that just seem un logical to me. Like I said before If the trinity is such an important aspect of christianity why is it not mentioned clearly In the bible. Why would god link such a confusing concept to our salvation. This whole three gods thing I will never understand because Allah/God said I am one worship me alone. I believe in one god not three and the trinity says there are three gods. And in no where in the bible does Jesus say I am god worship me but rather he keeps telling people to worship god the father

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@Asiaya323 Yes, in a way, His creation killed him. The Jews wanted Him dead and nailed Him to the cross, that's how He died. That's why, at that time, one of the disciples (Peter, I think? I'm not too sure) called for the Jews to repent and to turn away from their sins, one being condemning their God to death. The Bible does explain trinity, actually. Like I just said about water. It is only one, but exists in three forms. It is not three gods, and never will be. It is one God, and exists in three forms. It's a tad confusing, I know. I can't claim to know everything about the Trinity, I think it's a secret that God wants to hold to Himself (: But basically, the concept of trinity is that God exists in three forms, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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@Asiaya323 I'm confused now. Does that mean that Islam started around the same time as Judaism? :O And is there bad blood between the two religions?

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@krazziekimmy Jewish texts (specifically the Dead Sea Scrolls) exist dating back to 150 B.C.E. Muhammad was born in 570 C.E. Judaism is much, much older. As for your second question, there is a high amount of antisemitism in some Muslim countries.

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@PairOfDiceLost Ahhh. So they does that mean Islam branched out from Judaism, like Christianity? And why is there antisemitism, anyway? Like the enmity between Israel and Muslim countries. I live in Malaysia, which is a Muslim country by the way. Malaysians (especially Muslims) have a real hard time getting to Israel using the Malaysian passport.

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